What does “We need builder-uppers” really mean?

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“I have come to realise that many Christians question much that is taught (and written) in and of the bible but … privately. “ 

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“Needing to know the bible”

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“My bible teaching started young with The Nice Bits.   Even “The Most Important Bit” is  airbrushed beyond recognition.   Being “washed in blood” has only ever been (and remains) a gratuitous-gore-fest-of-senseless-killing … unless it is The Story of The Cross.”

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“Bigging-up the bible” has to be done in the right way, or else it is “knocking the bible”.   And then we open up that “we have enough criticisers” – we need “builder-uppers”.   And – of course – the qualified-in-God “facts” of what God and Jesus actually meant by sin and saved – all the “correct” (builder-upper) bible stuff.

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“Being scripturally correct … The devil does it … atheists do it … Christians do it … we ALL do it … We ALL screw with the bible.  And yet the bible remains The Way.”

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Want to read the rest?.

“Needing to know the bible”  – justmebeingcurious

.Might not be what you expect.

Thank you –

Paul

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Getting the job done

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Facebook post by “Clergy Coaching Network”
“The church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state,
but rather the conscience of the state.  It must be the guide and the critic
of the state, and never its tool.  If the church does not recapture its prophetic zeal
it will become an irrelevant social club without moral or spiritual authority.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.

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And a selection of comments …
I have problems interpreting what was intended for a theocracy to be for a non-theocratic state like America.
Jesus was very political.
But that prophetic zeal must always be tempered with discernment to assure that the Holy Spirit is behind the message.
What does he mean by prophetic zeal?
Read Amos or Micah or Hosea.

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And “theocracy” … ?
“Theocracy, government by divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided. In many theocracies, government leaders are members of the clergy, and the state’s legal system is based on religious law. Theocratic rule was typical of early civilizations.”
And “prophetic” … ?
“The adjective prophetic traces all the way back to the Greek word prophētikos, meaning “predicting.”  You know who’s really good at predicting stuff?  Prophets.  Usually, prophetic is used to describe a thing — like a warning, a feeling, or a complaint — rather than a person.”
And “zeal” … ?
“Zealous is the adjective for the noun zeal “eager partisanship”; the latter has a long e, but zealous has a short one: ZEL-uhs.  It can have a slightly negative connotation, and people are sometimes described as “overzealous,” meaning they try too hard.”

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More and more I see the clergy “qualified (in God)” having this consequence.

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All the theological-and-seminary-production-line-consequence of a bible “authorised” by scholars (themselves previously qualified in God).  Just seems too familiar – a constant throwback to the good old (biblical) days when Jesus kept saying:

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“You have seen it written but I say … “

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All the theological-and-seminary-production-line-consequence of … “Let’s get back to the original Greek”“Scholars are agreed that this definition – ““If only you would actually study your bible (like I do) – “ …  Just like the good old (biblical) days when Jesus kept saying:

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“All of that don’t get you close to God … “

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I have a job.

When something goes wrong we go forensic:  “What happened, why did it happen, how can we stop it happening again?”  And I find myself suggesting that instead of yet another “process change” – we just care a little more and a little better.  That we remember why we are doing “this” and who we are doing “this”for. 

In my job it is a bunch of wonderful human beings we call a “temp team”.  A bunch of “temps” who are our company out there in all these different Client’s premises.  A bunch of human beings just like us – with lives to live, bills to pay, people they love, frustrations and hope and dreams and comfort zones.

And we can “process map” the hell out of “caring for them” …  But just “caring for them” – loving them for who they are, what they are and where they are … always!

That gets the job done.   

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The qualified in God clergy have a job.

And it isn’t “working for the church”.   It isn’t about running a slick operation called the church.   It isn’t about being qualified in God.   It isn’t even about NOT being a “false teacher” (more deja vu … “You have seen it written but I say … “)

And I find myself suggesting that instead of yet another debate about “going back to the original” for yet more “spiritual discernment” …

We just care a little more, a little better.  That we remember why we are doing “this” and who we are doing “this”for … for a bunch of wonderful human beings who are neither “our flock” nor “the lost” … but a bunch of humans just like us with lives to live, bills to pay, people they love, frustrations and hope and dreams and comfort zones.

And we can “correctly interpret” the hell out of the bible “caring for them correctly” …  But just “caring for them” – loving them for who they are, what they are and where they are … always!

That gets the job done.   

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Church? Is it a building, is it a plane, is it a …

I always remember my father saying how amazing it was. That in the span of his father’s lifetime manned flight for the first time and manned flight to the moon had both happened. From a few tentative feet above ground to orbiting another chunk of the universe. That is truly amazing. We are truly amazing. Each of us.

The (latest) mass shooting in Oregon yesterday was reported here as front page news. We have become familiar with mass shootings in the US. Familiar with the same hackneyed debate. The same well-worn inaction. The belief that sacrifice of a few (or many) on the altar of “freedom” is merely unfortunate. Truly amazing in its incomprehensibility.

Yet the number of people wiped out in driving accidents each year goes by without a murmur. The deaths and injuries bemoaned from time to time, but (essentially) simply a by-product of personal freedom to get from A-B as we wish. Also amazing for the layers of ambiguous thinking in that one.

And then Syria and the Russian involvement. We are doing the same as you. No you are not you are being bad. No we are not – you started it. But we are doing it with love – you are doing it for your own ends. And you are not …. ?

I find the ambiguities, all the duplicity, truly amazing (and very sad).

So much we take for granted. So much amazing stuff we don’t even notice – so much ambiguity we tuck away for when we have time. it is simply “how we live”. The alternative too time-consuming to think about. So we don’t.

Yet when I stop. When I think. We ARE blessed.

Blessed with freedom and choices. So many choices people now need support to cope with the stress of those choices. So much freedom people revert to an ever smaller circle of living to make sense of it all. So much communication technology we are forgetting how to talk to each other as neighbours. We share physical space unwillingly and use our techno-bubbles as insulation from each other. We are truly amazing. Each of us.

And Jesus puts it in context. Always.

“Then he turned to his disciples and said privately, “Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.”” Luke 10:17-24

Jesus’ seventy-two had a new “techie toy”. The power to cast out demons, to heal and the “authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.” They had come back from using their new power. Overjoyed, amazed, buzzing!  In their lifetime they had gone from ordinary dusty peeps to Masters of the Universe! Who ya gonna call … ?

We have that same power right now. We have that same authority right now.

Us “ordinary peeps” with our freedom to stash weapons, our freedom to drive, our freedom to fly, our lifestyle of instant news from anywhere around the globe. A lifestyle of excess and destitution living side by side. A lifestyle where, despite having that power and authority right now, we prefer to focus on airbrushing our own image.

Where we endlessly split hairs of doctrine.  Where we endlessly insist we know best and you do not. And (endlessly) ignore the many lives damaged so badly in the process. Ignoring those who love – not like us … who think – not like us … who pray – not like us … who use labels – just not the “right ones” – not the ones that we use – the ones who are not “us” – the ones who are “them”.

Which is truly amazing (and very sad)!

“Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.”

That is as true today as it was when Jesus uttered those words privately to those few ordinary, unassuming, dusty peeps. He utters those same words today through The Word to you and me.  Which is truly amazing (and really cool)! So what do we do with it?

We argue.

We argue about Church as God and God as Church. We spend our lifetime defining what that means. Arguing over who is right and who is wrong. We fritter away a lifetime, a generation, generations, centuries, millennia … We are good at that!  Debating.  Endlessly debating.  Global warming by endless “hot air” – as damaging to this beautiful planet as all the science of global pillaging.

Church?  Is it a building, is it a plane, is it a …

Does it matter?

Unless we bring a tender, reverent and humble “power and authority” to live Love Unconditionally (from which everything is sourced) … all that power … all that authority … all that “amazing” … Then we are no different to those we arrogantly attempt “to save”.  And if we do bring that live Love Unconditional with us … in us … of us … in and of I Am …

Then there is nothing to left to debate. We are all right.

No wouldn’t that be truly – and wonderfully – amazing!