What if there is no cross?

“All of this is in my head.

You mean you are The Creator?  🙂

Now that thought wasn’t in my head!  :-)”

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All conversations come to plateau – a pause.  Not that the conversation has ended.  More that it needs to breathe.

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“And the alternative?

Same bible – same teaching – different outcome (as we discussed) … “

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Breathing is drawing-in and exhaling-out.  There has been much breathing-in during this conversation below the cross.  Now is the time to breathe-out.  To be still.  And then to take the next step in this wonderful journey.

If you have sat on the grass with us, thank you.  If you stumble upon this chat in the future, thank you.

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“and breathe …. “

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Paul

Just me being curious

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continued …

“That is just not me at all … “

Say that thing you were thinking on the dog-walk yesterday, Paul …

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Thank you.  This whole imaginary setting … the cross up there … you nailed to it … you hopping off it to join me here … the words, the questions, the certainties, the imagery … all of that … all of this … you talking to me … me talking to you … ALL of it … It’s me not you.

All of this is in my head.

You mean you are The Creator?  🙂

Now that thought wasn’t in my head!  🙂

But my point is this … I write these conversations as hearing you, but I am really hearing me.  I hear your words, but they are my words.  I talk to you – but I hear me.  I am talking ……

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Cross that line and suffer the consequences

“Ask yourself this, Paul … as this “God of unconditional love” you have painted me … what do I gain from all this fear and sin other than this …”

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I keep getting questions that have the answers I was taught – except those answers are making less and sense as we chat.

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“All this “heaven” you all drool over … what is that other than fear-free and loved-up for ever?  And hell … a guy in red with horns running a fear-filled and love-empty place for ever.”

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And the more we talk, the more sense his answers make.

Not joined the conversation yet?

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>>> The posts are linked so you can move forwards or backwards as you wish.

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Thank you –

 

Paul

Just me being curious

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continued … 

So if I am fear-free and outflowing of love … then what about sin?  It’s your trademark – your USP!  The bible is stuffed full of it … churches are full of sinners asking forgiveness … repentance is a hot button … “Grace Freely Given” … “Blood Shed For you!” … all of that stuff is your patent and my obligation!

It’s all got a bit out of hand hasn’t it?

Pardon me … “got out of hand …” … ?

Come on , Paul … sense of humour failure here … lighten up a little!

So are you saying there is or there isn’t sin?

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I am saying “wordplay” wasn’t intended to become “law-play”.  And I suppose gatekeepers aren’t appointed for their sense of fun, are they?  But I ask you … all this fear … really …?  Is that all I am…

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Are you cross at me?

“But that word “sin” … Who “created” it – me or you?

Because everything you have been taught says it was me. Which makes no sense at all. Why go to all the bother of creating all this stuff – only to drop a spanner in the works – and then create a whole theological conundrum complete with a stage, lighting, special effects, a script, an audience, AND a bunch of critics … “

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The conversation continues. Jesus still absent from the cross we nail him to. Both of us still lolling in the grass below.

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“Then no, I am not without sin.

I got angry. I used words that treated others as less than sacred (so I must have been thinking them as well). In word and deed and thought – if the bible has any truth – I am not free of sin. Righteous anger is bullshit. Anger is anger. Love is love.”

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Still an open invitation to join the conversation (each bit is a continuation of the previous bit – and each is linked so you track forwards and backwards).

Thanks –

 

Paul

Just me being curious

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continued … 

What is your biggest criticism of “religion” and “the church” today, Paul?

That I have to change to accommodate them – because both teach and live “love” that is conditional.

But isn’t that you loving “them” conditionally … you demanding the same in reverse?

And you didn’t?

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Touche!  🙂

So to fear … what is the difference between “sin” and “fear”, Paul?  What makes the fear of sin acceptable?  Why are either okay?

I have a question.  Does sin exist, is it real, am I a sinner, and are you “pure and without sin”?

Define sin for me, Paul.

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Behaviour in word, deed or thought which treats me or others as less than sacred.

Then no, I am not without sin. 

I got angry.  I used words that treated others as less than sacred (so I must have been thinking them as…

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The cross I have to carry

“And then another scripted showpiece – a mini-resurrection. One I find myself questioning as “fact” more and more.

And with it “me” and “all the God stuff” you have been taught you cannot and must not question – because I am God and that means …

I must worship, glorify, serve and sacrifice to you.”

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The conversation continues.

If you want to tag-along – please do.  Links are in each of the posts to make catching-up as easy as possible.

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“Wasn’t that all about those who touched me increasing their own “I have” …  And wasn’t it often the case that – instead of binding “I have and I am” more seamlessly – the “result” was not that much different afterwards …  That the moment passed and the lives of each continued as they chose … ?

You don’t read of the “after bits” in your bible – so you fill in the gaps – and the “gaps” now come with debt and obligation and distance … all the biblically correct “gaps” teaching … “

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Have to say I am enjoying this little journey immensely.

Thank you –

 

Paul

Just me being curious

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continued …

What do you see and hear mostly in the world, Paul?

Always have and have not.  What I have defines who I am.  The same as what I do not have defines who I am not.  And the aspiration is to have more because having more is status and power and respect.

But “I am” …

That is about me not you?

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Always.  I Am is God and God is I Am or Yaweh or Y***h.  And God and I Am means a bible basher, a goody-two-shoes, one who will convert you faster than look at you, one who is only interested in converting you.  Which makes ALL the “God (of any name) Squad” insular and “small minded” – which is obviously not who we are taught “God” is at all.

Today’s verses?

Luke 7:11-17

Your turn …

Ambulance chasers.

We call the “crowd”…

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The cross I imagine I carry

“I have and I am.    Let’s tarry awhile … “I have” is what I see, what I can prove, what I can hold in my hand and show you.   “I haven’t” the same … I can show the absence of what I do not have.   “I should have” also the same … here is me and this is why I should have this or that … I have is not living by faith.  I have is living by proof.  And living by proof has one major flaw.”
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Odd how sitting under the cross is not about the cross at all.
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“But I can see from your face you still doubt: “Where does the bible and a Christian fit” … how is “The Great Commission” explained … “?   What are today’s verses, Paul?”
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In fact it’s about anything but the cross.
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“Look at us “literally” …   Both sprawled on the grass, the cross now empty of me, all the biblical characters frozen like statues.   And this is ALL imagery!   All because I Am “The Son of God” – and I Can mess with “The Bible”.”
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If you haven’t joined us yet, you are very welcome.

Thank you –

 

Paul

Just me being curious

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Continued …

I have and I am.  Let’s tarry awhile … 

“I have” is what I see, what I can prove, what I can hold in my hand and show you.  “I haven’t” the same … I can show the absence of what I do not have.  “I should have”  also the same … here is me and this is why I should have this or that … I have is not living by faith.  I have is living by proof.   And living by proof has one major flaw.

I only know what I know – not what I don’t know … ?

WOW!  Concise and to the point, Paul!

And that is “I have – I know”.

But “I am” is not concerned with what I know and don’t know, can prove or not prove … I am is just that: I am who I am and…

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The cross of One Capital Letter

“What marks me out as any different to you?”

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When you have “a fireside chat” with God I find it rarely goes as I think it should.

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“That “one capital letter” is your invention – your creation – your imagery – not mine. So let’s just pause on this for a moment … because if you don’t “get this” you get nothing …”

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I leave it to you to decide if this is really me and “God” – or me just telling an indulgent story.  If this kind of chatting offends you – if your God is not my God – if this doesn’t draw you in – if this repels you … then move on and leave this alone.

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“So … what does this mean to the bible and all “that”?  It means the bible is just another “I have””

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My journey has not ended – my journey will never end. And my journey is my journey. So if our paths have crossed in these words – then maybe there is a reason for that.

I don’t have answers – only questions …

 

“So … what is “I am” and how do “I have” I am … ? You are close young Paul.”

 

Welcome – feel free to stay or move on.

Thank you –

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Paul

Just me being curious

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What marks me out as any different to you?

Apart from being “God” and “Creator” and “All of That” you mean … ?  You just said all of that was imagery.  My creation of you.  Our creation of you.  So now I am confused … What marks you out as any different to me (if all that stuff about the bible you just said is true) is … … … Sorry … 

I Am.

Yeah yeah yeah – the “I Am” translation debate … the Chosen people not even daring to write your name in letters … all of that superstitious stuff …  What’s that got to do with any of this?

I Am is the difference.  The only difference.  I Am is the only “truth” in all of this.

Okay.  TotallyConfused.com here.

Paul, you are on the way to I Am, but you’re still I…

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A cross to die for

“How did you do that?

I changed the script … moved the props … took a break … whipped out a special effect … did a bit of CGI …  I am God and I can do whatever I like.  That’s what you all tell me: “God can do anything.”  So I have just hopped off the cross because I can.  You look bigger now I am down here instead of up there.  What about me – do I look bigger or smaller?

Smaller.  You look smaller.  You look … “normal” … … … … Get back up there!  You aren’t meant to be down here.”
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I find that talking with God throws up the strangest of conversations.

Still sitting under the cross. Still looking up. And now finding he has jumped off the thing and is sitting right here besides me. Chuckling!
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“You keep looking up at the empty cross – then at me sitting right beside you.  You’re still itchy about YOUR imagery of YOUR cross being shaken.  Doesn’t THAT tell you something about “the bible”?”

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I love these chats.

How about you?

Thanks –

 

Paul

Just me being curious

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continued …

So you really believe the bible is “written” by me?

That’s what I was taught.  And the odd thing is that no other “text” is given the same free-pass.  Everything else is cross-referenced … linked to other sources … checked for accuracy and legitimacy … but the bible is cross-referenced against itself … linked to sources elsewhere in the same bible … checked against Aramaic or Greek not for accuracy and legitimacy, but for accuracy and legitimacy of the translations and revisions since.  The bible is the bible because the bible says so – because you say and you are God – and that makes the bible sacred and accurate and not to be messed with.

And your point is … ?

Nobody dares mess with the bible because it is your words.

So why isn’t this conversation in the bible, Paul?  These are my words…

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