The weakest link

“As a father I have seen our sons and daughters pair-up with some very odd partners. Some I haven’t even wanted in our home let alone as a potential future “partner” … others I saw no reason (for our wonderfully gifted and talented and sensible and loving children) to see anything good-in as we smiled to those words “Mum … Dad … I want you to meet … “”

Talking about The Law again.

The bible law, the God law, the sacred law, the law and all its commandments.

“Of course that wasn’t enough. Ten were okay for the big picture but not enough for the detail. The devil is always in the detail! So more were needed and were readily provided. And catalogued. And defended. And enforced. And paid for (no such thing as a free law).”

It’s a long read this morning.

But I stuck in a few pictures – so I hope it’s an okay read …

“I keep hearing this “What God has joined together” argument – but always used to validate “love” we like – never “love” we don’t. And I think I finally get why …”

Want to pull up a seat?

Thank you –

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Paul

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Just me being curious

Best get a *cuppa something” before you start this – it’s a long read this morning … 

Ready? 🙂

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We usually find the weakest link when something breaks.

Like the link on a delicate chain … Like our capacity to cope … Like when we didn’t really mean to break something … Or like this …

“Some Pharisees came, and to test him they asked, ‘Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?’  He answered them, ‘What did Moses command you?’  They said, ‘Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her.’  But Jesus said to them, ‘Because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you.  But from the beginning of creation, “God made them male and female.”  “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to…

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If there wasn’t any Christianity – 2

“You mentioned children earlier.  Are you responsible for them and their actions?  Children who are mid-life adults.  Adults with their own homes, own partners, own children …  Are you telling me that is how it is for you?

No.  I am not responsible for their decisions or actions – even if they like to blame me from time to time – even if they sometimes see me in them in a good way (usually not!).  But …”

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How can I be talking to God and discussing “no Christianity”?  Doesn’t that mean I am talking to myself – because if I am talking to God there must be Christianity?

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“I would say that even in this there is no right and wrong answer, no black or white definitive one way.  I would say that for all the flaws and assumptions, all the trying to do right and still doing wrong, for this recycled and cyclical spinning in a very similar place generation after generation …  You have the absolute right to figure this out for yourselves.”

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Pull up and seat and pour yourself a cuppa … join in if you want …

 

Thank you.

Paul

Just me being curious

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Continued …

And that is also a pile of poo.

Why?

Because we take one thing and make it everything.  We take the one thing of “predators” and make it the everything of “fear”.  Yes, there are predators out there.  But they are the minority.  And if we don’t live with that fact – then we will become predators simply because we believe everyone is out to eat us alive.  We become fearful predators and chew others up because we are fearful predators. Confident predators – the “one thing” – eat when they are hungry – chasing prey takes energy. Fearful predators – the “everything” – don’t have that “confident” in them – so they snap at everything out of fear of the “everything”.

And me?

And you as well.  You are “one thing” and we make you the “everything”.  You are the “Did you say thank you…

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If there wasn’t any Christianity – 1

“So Christianity hasn’t made you any better or worse?

I don’t think it has.

Has it made any difference at all?”
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I think my God is interested in more than me listening to him.  I think he is curious about who I am and who I was and who I will become.  I think relationship is why.  I think love is why.

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“And this is my doing?

I am told it is.

And what do you see in the mirror now? “

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He and I are having another chat.  This time not just around the bible but about this whole “religion thing”.

And once again I have no idea where the words are going.

 

Please – you are welcome to listen in – even chat a little if you want.

 

Thank you –

Paul

Just me being curious

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What would you have been if there wasn’t any Christianity?

I think the same as I am now.

So Christianity hasn’t made you any better or worse?

I don’t think it has.

Has it made any difference at all?

Yes. It has made me look at myself in a mirror.  Made me consider what it is I am seeing in the mirror.

And what do you see?

I see someone who should, who must, who ought to.  Someone called a “sinner”. Someone tainted for no reason than someone else says so.  Like being black.  Like being gay.  Like being anything that someone disapproves of.  Just in my case a “sinner” because someone says I am.

And I get angry when I see that reflection. I was born an innocent baby.  And I am a granddad now and I have seen innocent babies.  Innocent babies who are the most…

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What if there is no cross?

“All of this is in my head.

You mean you are The Creator?  🙂

Now that thought wasn’t in my head!  🙂 ”

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All conversations come to plateau – a pause.  Not that the conversation has ended.  More that it needs to breathe.

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“And the alternative?

Same bible – same teaching – different outcome (as we discussed) … “

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Breathing is drawing-in and exhaling-out.  There has been much breathing-in during this conversation below the cross.  Now is the time to breathe-out.  To be still.  And then to take the next step in this wonderful journey.

If you have sat on the grass with us, thank you.  If you stumble upon this chat in the future, thank you.

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“and breathe …. “

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Paul

Just me being curious

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continued …

“That is just not me at all … “

Say that thing you were thinking on the dog-walk yesterday, Paul …

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Thank you.  This whole imaginary setting … the cross up there … you nailed to it … you hopping off it to join me here … the words, the questions, the certainties, the imagery … all of that … all of this … you talking to me … me talking to you … ALL of it … It’s me not you.

All of this is in my head.

You mean you are The Creator?  🙂

Now that thought wasn’t in my head!  🙂

But my point is this … I write these conversations as hearing you, but I am really hearing me.  I hear your words, but they are my words.  I talk to you – but I hear me.  I am talking ……

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Cross that line and suffer the consequences

“Ask yourself this, Paul … as this “God of unconditional love” you have painted me … what do I gain from all this fear and sin other than this …”

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I keep getting questions that have the answers I was taught – except those answers are making less and sense as we chat.

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“All this “heaven” you all drool over … what is that other than fear-free and loved-up for ever?  And hell … a guy in red with horns running a fear-filled and love-empty place for ever.”

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And the more we talk, the more sense his answers make.

Not joined the conversation yet?

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>>> The posts are linked so you can move forwards or backwards as you wish.

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Thank you –

 

Paul

Just me being curious

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continued … 

So if I am fear-free and outflowing of love … then what about sin?  It’s your trademark – your USP!  The bible is stuffed full of it … churches are full of sinners asking forgiveness … repentance is a hot button … “Grace Freely Given” … “Blood Shed For you!” … all of that stuff is your patent and my obligation!

It’s all got a bit out of hand hasn’t it?

Pardon me … “got out of hand …” … ?

Come on , Paul … sense of humour failure here … lighten up a little!

So are you saying there is or there isn’t sin?

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I am saying “wordplay” wasn’t intended to become “law-play”.  And I suppose gatekeepers aren’t appointed for their sense of fun, are they?  But I ask you … all this fear … really …?  Is that all I am…

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Are you cross at me?

“But that word “sin” … Who “created” it – me or you?

Because everything you have been taught says it was me. Which makes no sense at all. Why go to all the bother of creating all this stuff – only to drop a spanner in the works – and then create a whole theological conundrum complete with a stage, lighting, special effects, a script, an audience, AND a bunch of critics … “

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The conversation continues. Jesus still absent from the cross we nail him to. Both of us still lolling in the grass below.

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“Then no, I am not without sin.

I got angry. I used words that treated others as less than sacred (so I must have been thinking them as well). In word and deed and thought – if the bible has any truth – I am not free of sin. Righteous anger is bullshit. Anger is anger. Love is love.”

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Still an open invitation to join the conversation (each bit is a continuation of the previous bit – and each is linked so you track forwards and backwards).

Thanks –

 

Paul

Just me being curious

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continued … 

What is your biggest criticism of “religion” and “the church” today, Paul?

That I have to change to accommodate them – because both teach and live “love” that is conditional.

But isn’t that you loving “them” conditionally … you demanding the same in reverse?

And you didn’t?

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Touche!  🙂

So to fear … what is the difference between “sin” and “fear”, Paul?  What makes the fear of sin acceptable?  Why are either okay?

I have a question.  Does sin exist, is it real, am I a sinner, and are you “pure and without sin”?

Define sin for me, Paul.

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Behaviour in word, deed or thought which treats me or others as less than sacred.

Then no, I am not without sin. 

I got angry.  I used words that treated others as less than sacred (so I must have been thinking them as…

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